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Okay I’m not even a Star Trek fan but that’s beautiful.
*squint* it gets harder to overlook the britishy bits when this is explicitly set in a california city that exists and i have been to
For serious tho, I mean assuming you’re still reading TW like I live in the same 100 mile radius where said fictional town is supposedly situated. I feel like English people assume we’re exaggerating about the language differences?
Like no but seriously. Nobody says petrol. Literally ever. Many people don’t even know what the word petrol means.
Types of people who romanticize small town life:
- People who didn’t grow up in small towns
#THE LOCALS AREN’T QUIRKY#THEY’RE RACIST
#THERE’S NOTHING TO DO
#EVERYONE’S ON DRUGS
Well you can count yourself lucky then that your small town is not a meth town.
Is it Saturday yet???
okay so I keep seeing people claiming that Cersei’s jealousy of Brienne is OOC and I am just baffled to be honest.
Cersei is so jealous of Brienne. There is not a fibre of Cersei’s being that is not jealous of Brienne.
and that has nothing to do with Jaime.
Jealousy is absolutely present in that scene, but it’s all at the beginning: “You’re Lord Selwyn Tarth’s daughter, that makes you a lady whether you want to be or not” absolutely reeks of Tywin. These are the same words that Cersei herself has heard her whole life. These are the words that little six year old Cersei is told when Tywin catches her swapping clothes with Jaime so she can learn swordfighting.
Yet here’s this enormous ridiculous woman who has everything Cersei wants: freedom, physical power, a life without fear of being played as a pawn when she knows she’s more than that.
And we all know Cersei, Cersei hates being the less-powerful party, and for all that she could have Brienne carted off to the dungeons if she wanted, the fact that Brienne has so much that Cersei wants is infuriating for her. She needs to find a weakness, and she does; the way Brienne smiles when she talks about Jaime is textbook schoolgirl crush and suddenly Cersei has the upper hand.
Now she has something Brienne wants, and she’s going to play that to her advantage. In making jibes about Brienne’s history and directly challenging her love for Jaime, Cersei is proving both to herself and to Brienne that she is superior.
Brienne might be a warrior but Cersei is a lioness. Cersei is a Queen. Cersei has Jaime’s heart.
This scene was not about a “love triangle”.
This scene was about a power-play.
I mostly agree with this, but I do have a couple of quibbles.
One, that it has nothing to do with Jaime… well, yeah, it sort of does, because Cersei no longer has Jaime’s heart, to the extent that she used to, unconditionally, because Jaime is no longer exactly the same person that he was when they last saw each other. And who was around for most of that evolution? Brienne.
The other is that it is a power play, but it’s the sort of power play that is done by someone whose grip on power is slipping, as Cersei’s is due both to her father and her son’s bride. Cersei’s pettiness is characteristic, as is Margaery’s and the Queen of Thorns’ courtesies toward Brienne, since, unlike Cersei, they don’t make the common mistake of underestimating the Maid.
I actually totally agree, it is kind of to do with Jaime, but I was just so sick of everyone claiming it was all about some kind of High-School-Drama love triangle that I overemphasised the lack of Jaime-related motivation.
I’m not entirely sure how your second point is disagreeing with me? Because that, when I was writing the post, is what I was thinking. Her petty little digs at Brienne are mostly to do with desperately trying to prove to herself that she still has some power (as is the scene with Pycelle). She’s lashing out at anyone she perceives as weak because this wedding is essentially stripping her of the power she craves.
I’d like to point out that what spurred Cersei to speak to Brienne was Brienne’s response to her ‘did you just bow?’ with a polite reply suggesting that Brienne has never been demanded to live the life of a lady. The fact that Cersei opens with ‘You are Selwyn Tarth’s daughter and that makes you a lady, whether you like it or not’ is telling of which nerve Brienne’s comment had plucked. Jaime didn’t enter the equation until later.
In fact, I don’t think Cersei’s intention to confront Brienne about Jaime in the first place The gratitude she expresses in her bringing back to safety initially began as a platitude and it wasn’t until Brienne mentioned how Jaime had ‘saved her more than once’ that layered on an unexpected wave of anger. Cersei is not threatened by Brienne’s affections for Jaime or Jaime affections for Brienne; what she’s angered by is the fact that Jaime ‘took too long’ to get back to her in King’s Landing and she supposes its because he was wasting time saving Brienne.
Jaime had been Cersei’s ‘shining knight’ all her life and now he was playing shining knight for other people instead of being there for her when she needed him.
So yes, there is some jealous involved but I very much doubt it’s because Cersei sees Brienne as a threat to her relationship with Jaime or because she genuinely believes that Jaime would pursue Brienne. As trebuchettully mentioned, Cersei was on a warpath at the wedding. She was seeing her loss of power everywhere. Loss of power as queen regent, loss of power over her son, loss of power as woman in having to conform to social norms, and then a loss of power over Jaime.
tl;dr: yes, the confrontation was a power play and yes there was jealousy involved, but it was not romantic or sexual jealousy. totes agree
I agree with this and especially on the fact that what triggered Cersei was exactly Brienne’s casual comment about never being able to master the curtsy, which was totally good natured on Brienne’s part, but hit a nerve on Cersei, because it came off as “haha, I am above such things, your grace” and oh boy, Cersei wishes no one ever forced on her the curtsy and all that feminine drivel too, but she had to learn, to turn into the perfect lady even though she had the heart of a warrior. So she sees Brienne and she’s like “and who the hell do you think you are? If I had to bend, you will too!” In essence, everything Brienne is pisses Cersei off big time because she sees Brienne as a big spoiled brat with a weak father who for some reason granted her all the nice things Cersei never had.
I think it’s this funny thing that happens when people watch tv. The real person factor. We see real people playing characters and we forget that they are characters, not people, and we forget that the situations these characters end up in are intentional, and not happenstance.
Take the bathtub scene for example.
Now as a writer, if I’m going to write an intimate, soul baring conversation between two leads, I have a lot of factors to think about. What are the characters going to say? What are they going to be doing? How will they be positioned with respect to each other? Where will the conversation take place?
If I want the interaction to come across as platonic, for example, I’d maybe make sure everybody in the room was wearing clothes.
And also that nobody got wood.
Two big platonic no-nos right there.
From a real person standpoint it could maybe be argued that yeah they’re having a confrontation, and they’re both dirty, and it makes sense that two ppl might end up in this situation and still not have any feelings for each other beyond respect and friendship. Accidental boners happen all the time and don’t always mean anything.
From a writing standpoint, they were in this situation on purpose. The writer purposefully got them dirty. The writer purposefully sent them to a place with multiple bathing options, and then purposefully put them in the same bathtub in spite of those multiple options. The writer purposefully made one character get an erection. The writer purposefully described this character’s body from the other character’s point of view using flowery, extremely flattering language.
Writers do not accidentally romance. The pen does not slip. The camera does not just go off. Everything is on purpose.
Now writing Jaime and Brienne as a platonic friendship would have been a perfectly valid choice. But it is not the choice George R. R. Martin made.
At this point, in order for the show to portray Jamie and Brienne as platonic, it would have to completely contradict not only the books, but also everything that took place on screen last season.
Jamie and Brienne would have to have been naked in that bath scene purely for fanservice purposes, instead of for actual character development reasons.
All of the conversations Jamie had with Brienne about their respective love/sex lives would have to be dismissed as deliberately misleading romance-baiting, instead of as genuine romance foreshadowing.
And it boggles my mind that any viewer could want that. It boggles my mind that any viewer who claims to care about better female representation in the media especially could want that.
Because I absolutely believe we need more healthy platonic male/female friendships on tv. Friendships that are genuine and non-sexual and non-romantic and rooted in respect.
And I want that dynamic to be intentional, and consistent, and well written.
I don’t want some half-assed will-they-or-won’t-they fan service romance-baiting that turns into a wet blanket anticlimax “friendship.” If I did I’m sure I could just cue up the How I Met Your Mother series finale on Netflix.
It would certainly be cheaper than an HBO subscription.
Dear people complaining about “But you love him”
Let me explain you a thing.
First, go back, re-read AFFC. I’ll wait.
Done? Kay good.
Now here’s why this scene needed to happen and go down and why you should be happy it did.
All this is happening before the events of AFFC. Brienne leaves and goes off on her quest of honor and along the way the majority of it takes place in Brienne’s mind. We get her thoughts and backstory through her perspective. The problem with the show is, it’s not told from this point of view.
We see Brienne sitting in a tub, her brow creases and she scrubs her arm roughly, we don’t realize that what she’s doing is attempting to replace the image of Jaime in her mind with Renly’s face.
Only a cramped small tub like this one. At Harrenhal the tubs had been huge, and made of stone. The bathhouse had been thick with the steam rising off the water, and Jaime had come walking through that mist naked as his name day, looking half a corpse and half a god. He climbed into the tub with me, she remembered, blushing. She seized a chunk of hard lye soap and scrubbed under her arms, trying to call up Renly’s face again.
Martin, George R.R. (2005-11-08). A Feast for Crows: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Four (pp. 149-150). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Even if Brienne had another woman on this journey I doubt she’d talk to anyone about the fact that when she’s staring at a random rock she’s in fact thinking of the time she road past a similar place with Jaime.
The stone wall was old and crumbling, but the sight of it across the field made the hairs on Brienne’s neck stand up. That was where the archers hid and slew poor Cleos Frey, she thought … but half a mile farther on she passed another wall that looked much like the first and found herself uncertain. The rutted road turned and twisted, and the bare brown trees looked different from the green ones she remembered. Had she ridden past the place where Ser Jaime had snatched his cousin’s sword from its scabbard? Where were the woods they’d fought in? The stream where they’d splashed and slashed at one another until they drew the Brave Companions down upon them?
Martin, George R.R. (2005-11-08). A Feast for Crows: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Four (p. 224). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
So this had to happen. They had to literally force it on her so the audience gets that while Brienne is gone she’s thinking of Jaime. The gears on this is turning. Yes, to come out as obvious as this might seem cliched to some, but considering we don’t get to go into her mind like in the book it was a reasonable alternative.
And just think of the other ways they could have gone. They could have hit us over the head with love triangle. They could have spent long drawn out scenes of Cersei being catty. They could have shown Brienne pining away like a little school girl.
This was a band-aid; a quick rip for a season long heart break.
Jaime cut her off. “Take the bloody sword and go. There’s a bay mare in the stables, as homely as you are.”Some time later…Brienne’s mare was sweet to look upon.
Book quotes give me life.